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Category: Washington Politics (Page 21 of 27)

Know anything about SJR 8212?

I was embarrassed when I opened up my ballot tonight that I hadn’t heard of SJR 8212, which would open up a larger prison labor program in our state. Here are some links.

Legislative history
Pro and con argument’s in voters pamphlet

It is worth noting that the two Republican lawmakers who wrote the against arguments for the voters pamphlet are from the 4th LD, close by where a company took advantage of prison labor:

In December 1995, the Redmond, Washington company laid off 30 workers earning $7 an hour plus benefits and moved to the Airway Heights Corrections Center near Spokane. There, five free employees supervise some 40 prisoners who earn $6 an hour. Omega Pacific owner Bert Atwater told the Spokane Spokesman Review that he moved to prison because of the rent-free quarters where “the workers are delighted with the pay; [where there are] no workers who don’t come in because of rush hour traffic or sick children at home; [and where] workers…don’t take vacations. Where would these guys go on vacation anyway?” Atwater was also pleased that he doesn’t “have to deal with employee benefits or workers’ compensation.”

Sarahjane46th over at Washblog writes a defense of 8212, but included this quote that argues against it:

“Although we understand the value for incarcerated people to earn more than 42 cents or $1.10 / hour and we acknowledge the benefits of providing work experience for incarcerated people, we see the prison industries as one of the main cogs in the “Perpetual Prisoner Machine” as described in the book by the same name authored by Joel Dyer. The bottom line is that in the long run, this change support[s] the continuation of mass incarceration in this country.”

A few newspaper endorsements in favor of it:
Put inmates to work for their benefit — and ours
Two ballot measures flashy but necessary

The Olympian’s half-hearted endorsement (Inmate labor program needs oversight) makes a great case:

By supporting SJR 8212 voters are trusting that the Department of Corrections will enforce the law to ensure that there is no unfair advantage to companies operating inside prisons. The Supreme Court record showed that 37 of the 58 inmates working for MicroJet were murderers. While some will be released some day, many others will never be released from prison. That shoots a hole in Sen. Hargrove’s argument about rehabilitation.

Nonetheless, with proper oversight from Corrections and assigning appropriate inmates to the tasks, this program can work.

Which is why I’m probably voting against it. The constitution of the state makes it illegal to use prison labor because of its built-in pitfalls. Prisoners by their nature aren’t employees. They can’t quit being prisoners, and they can be treated as slave labor. It’s better to just not open up a loop hole for abuse.

But, I’m willing to listen to anyone who can argue otherwise.

Seat of government in Oly; actual government not so much

The Puget Sound Partnership, a new state agency, will be located in Tacoma. The only part of the division of state government that will actually be located in Olympia is the headquarters:

…Governor Chris Gregoire today announced that the Puget Sound Partnership will open an office in the City of Tacoma’s Urban Waters marine research center on Thea Foss Waterway. The satellite office will operate in close proximity to Tacoma’s environmental services division labs and UW-Tacoma research labs.

Satellite? Won’t the Tacoma office include the agency’s executive director, and some 30 people?

Yes and yes.

But it appears officials are tip-toeing around a provision of the state constitution that requires the headquarters of state agencies to locate in the capitol. That usually means Olympia, but Tumwater and Lacey qualify, too.

Thus, the “headquarters” of the Puget Sound Partnership will likely remain in Olympia. But only on paper. In this case, the satellite will be larger than the mother ship.

Why the location yoga? Historylink:

Some state agencies began simply drifting away from Olympia; as early as 1899 the Board of Health moved to Seattle. After World War II ended in 1945, the trend of agencies leaving Olympia accelerated. By the mid-1950s, 13 agencies had moved their headquarters to Seattle. Once again the matter ended up in front of the Washington Supreme Court. On August 3, 1954, the Washington State Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that state agencies must headquarter in Olympia. “The decision, a new and stunning climax to the century-long fight by Olympians to be the center of state government, was written by Justice Charles T. Donsworth” (The Daily Olympian). In a 33-page decision, the court wrote: “We feel certain it was the intention of the framers of our state constitution and the people … that the whole of the executive department should be located in the seat of government” (The Daily Olympian).

The case was controversial enough to generate a written dissent. The four dissenting justices argued that the capital question was one for the Legislature, not the court, to decide.

Good legal rundown here.

30 jobs worth suing over? Well, no.

But, what would stop state agencies from leaving northern Thurston County all-together and just keep a one office “headquarters” intact in the state capital? How much of the PSP’s work do you think will actually get done in Olympia?

Poor Lou Guzzo (the governor is allowed to talk to citizens)

He thinks that it was his doing the governor is traveling the state, talking to citizens:

Why is she doing it? I’ll tell you why, because I am partly responsible for her determination to start running for re-election more than a year and a half early. But I am demanding that she and her Democratic Party cohorts stop charging her political tour to the taxpayers and start paying for it out of her private political funds.

It’s quite obvious how the whole thing started. More than a year ago, I began looking for a sponsor for my Idea Bank plan. I have written one book of new ideas in all fields and have thousands more new ideas to offer. Instead of putting the rest of the ideas into more books, I decided to seek a sponsor for the Idea Bank.

Oooooh, so since Gov. Gregoire was actually traveling the state before then, doing the exact same thing she’s doing now… then the Idea Bank is actually her idea! Sweet.

The only reason anyone is paying attention to the tour at all this year is because people from the Republican side of things are complaining. Last year, no complaints = no coverage.

Sonics impacting Major League Soccer in Seattle talk?

A post in which I paste a comment I put on another fine blog.

Jeff and others over at Center Holds It are wondering about Seattle, the Major League Soccer… uh… league, Paul Allen and Qwest Field.

I say this:

Also, I think that the “not a new stadium right now” talk has a lot more to do with our current situation with the Sonics than anyone is really willing to admit. No one wants to make getting an MLS team depend on a funding package for an new stadium while Clay Bennett is in town jerking our chains.

A little bit down the road maybe? The legislature put $30 million towards a new hockey arena just south of Seattle, which is closer in cost to an SSS than a new basketball arena.

So, I think we’ll eventually get a soccer specific stadium here, its just down the road a bit. Especially if it can be packaged with a regional soccer complex like the Home Depot Center, we’ll have a winner.

Holy big government Lou Guzzo

Lou goes way past government interference in politics:

All political contributions should be banned!

I believe a constitutional amendment is needed to ban donations of any size to persons who run for public office.

Public campaigns? B’ah!

Fairness Doctrine? Too damn weak!

Just force newspapers and everyone else in the media to cover every single candidate.

If I was a conservative in the northwest, I’d be downright embarrassed by this guy. But, I’m not so its just funny.

Washington Idea Bank: Oh crap, what were we doing?

Getting lost along the way of Rossi’s faux campaign, the Washington Idea Bank forgot that it was supposed to be about everyone else’s ideas, not his.

Now that Rossi is gone from the Idea Bank and the Forward Washington, they finally figured out they were supposed to be post people’s ideas on the site, which they did for the first time since early summer a couple of days ago.

But, that’s just about keeping up appearances, still not about your ideas or actually doing anything with them. Gone is the feature where you can actually rate the ideas. They’re just up there as if anyone actually cares. You can still assume that the best ides will “included in a working document that the Foundation will present to the legislature next January,” but I doubt they’ll be the ones that the users of the site actually like.

Speaking of Rossi’s lame idea website, it, like one its main idea guys, loves big government:

Craig from Longview writes:

The state needs to fully fund the Family Caregiver Support Program so seniors & adults with disabilities can be cared for at home by their loved ones and thus aviod being institutionalized, which would cost taxpayers more in the long run.

susan from port angeles writes:

We really have alot of black ice here in washington. I suggest you hire some one to create a small thing that would resemble the green address markers people put on the side of the road to mark their house numbers. The marker would be colored white in wheather above freezing. At zero and below there would be a chemical reaction in the marker and it would turn to a black and white striped marker. It would be zebra for zero. You would place them on corners that often have accident because of black ice. They could be taller than the markers are now so they could be seen in higher snow. It would give people a reminder in the winter when we have the black ice to just be a bit more cautious. Thanks Susan

John from Vancouver writes:

School levies that are voted on by the electorate should require only a simple majority to pass instead of the 2/3 requirement that is often in place. Too often, a majority of residents of a school district support a levy, but the 2/3 threshold is too high to meet, so the levies fail. A simple majority would allow these levies to pass and new schools to be constructed.

Phill from Tacoma writes:

The state should provide free or reduced university tuition for combat veterans returning from conflicts abroad. This would keep these residents from leaving the state and would spur state-wide help economic growth.

Mark writes:

We need a single state “transportation” tzar. An individual appointed by the governor who serves as the CEO of the state’s transportation needs and oversees all the hundreds of committees that are involved in transportation decisions. Each county also has their ‘tzar’ who report directly to the states CEO. The buck starts and stops with the tzar. Bottom line, we need specific accountability for transportation decisions, intiative and action.

Guzzo’s a secret liberal

Lou Guzzo, Dino Rossi’s idea man, is surprised that he (gasp) agrees with a liberal. Shouldn’t be a surprise, Lou’s a secret liberal.

Well, not so secret. The guy is really into big-government solutions.

First of all (and just to get this out of the way) he worked for the Lyndon LaRouche of Washington State politics, Democratic governor Dixy Lee Ray. Gov. Ray was so unpopular with Democrats by the end of her first term that it took long time Dem powerhouse Warren Magnuson to usher her out of the race back in 1980 before she could be nominated again.

Anyway, Lou seems to bring that old time liberalism of Ray weirdness into his new job as conservative weirdo.

Take for example:

Corporate U.S. should provide day care for employees’ children — Not exactly big government, but the nanny-corporate state certainly steps in to take care of my son. Sort of like employee based health care system we have that is working so well right now. Sounds like a gateway drug to the government taking care of the little tyke.

Incentive program needed to bring out the lazy non-voters — because unlike most conservatives, you don’t believe that people should just vote because they want to.

A free bus and trolley system? Try the idea; you’ll like it — Lou thinks that public transit just isn’t enough. It should be free too.

Congress needs to crack down on greedy pro-sport owners — Its easy for him to argue for a crack down on team owners, but as a conservative could he make the same argument for a crack down on greed energy company owners? Or, insurance company owners?

Another (well, former) Olympia city councilmember against Baird

Curt Pavola, a former member of the Olympia city council calls out Baird:

My duty as a citizen at this time in history…the most important moment in my life as a free person in a democratic society…is to vote for, advocate for and fund a progressive candidate for Congress who will represent me and work against the political-economic machinery of war.

Like current city council member TJ Johnson before him, Curt toes the line to say that HE’D actually run against Baird, but backs away.

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