History, politics, people of Oly WA

Author: Emmett O'Connell (Page 172 of 177)

I’ve been posting over at Westerndemocrat.com, and been meaning to cross post this entry here. Its about David Kemmis and “This Sovereign Land,” one of my new most favorite books:

Kemmis
In the last chapter of “This Sovereign Land,” Daniel Kemmis makes the observation that Western Republicans have the inside track on the issue that will ensure political dominance for one party in the region: whether any political party can be seen as being the source of collaborative efforts that will eventually exert local and regional control over public lands in the West.

A cynical Republican will answer, “Of course it will be the GOP. Republicans, not Democrats, trust people to make their own decisions.” This is at least true to the point that national environmental groups don’t trust local collaborative efforts, but rather courts and the federal bureaucracy to do the right thing.

But, in the “Death of Environmentalism,” Michael Shellenberger and Ted Nordhaus, argue that the national policy focus of the current stock of environmentalists, rather than a broader focus on progressive issues, has backed enviro groups into a corner, making them a stale and unsuccessful special interest.

The same focus on national issues that has marginalized environmentalism today is the same focus that has kept them from trusting and recognizing the good in collaborative efforts.

Also, Kemmis fails to address to what point and for what reasons Western GOPers support cooperative efforts. I would argue that their support only goes so far as to use collaborative efforts as a battering ram against federal control of lands, not to supplement that control with local and regional control.

By removing the federal government from the scene, and not allowing any real control by local communities, governments and watershed groups to fill in the vacuum, the space would eventually be filled by commercial interests. Westerners still would not control their landscape, the control would have moved from Washington DC to New York City.

Also, what are the chances that the Western Republican Party could abandon their dependence on the Western Myth of self reliance over cooperation?

To really create a cohesive policy of the homegrown Western sovereignty that Kemmis talks about, you need a party of politicians that believe that good, purposeful government can do good things.

The really cool thing about this post is that Kemmis himself ended up responding. I didn’t end up looking like a complete idiot, btw:

My argument in the last chapter of This Sovereign Land was not that Republicans had captured the inside track on small “d” democratic politics in the West, but rather that Democrats risked ceding that ground to Republicans if we didn’t re-examine some of our basic operating assumptions.

I completely agree with Emmett O’Connell that the Republican commitment and track record in this arena is shaky and vulnerable, mostly because the GOP remains far more committed to serving its corporate supporters than to any fundamental empowering of ordinary westerners.

But, as O’Connell quite accurately points out, Democrats have also been prevented from fully embracing grass-roots western democracy by our own close identification with another set of interests. Clearly, one reason Democrats had lost so much ground in the interior West before 2002 was because the party label had become all too closely associated in all too many western minds with a particular brand of national environmentalism – namely, the zero-cut and cattle-free brand. The result was that, over the course of a decade or so, Democrats had essentially abandoned our populist base in the rural West.

But now there is good news on two fronts. First, western Democrats have begun to stake out a genuinely western (and at the same time genuinely democratic) position on public land and resource issues. Second, the national environmental movement has itself moved into a new phase of self-examination, with the publication and discussion of Shellenberger and Nordhaus’s “Death of Environmentalism” paper. While that paper doesn’t directly address western issues, it creates an opportunity for western Democrats to begin saying clearly that we not only value these extraordinary western landscapes that we inhabit, but we also value the communities that have been built on those landscapes and the ways of life that depend on them.

I won’t extend this comment by developing that argument any further here, but I did take a stab at that last spring in a High Country News article (http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=14674).

It’s exciting and encouraging to see all the discussion that’s now occurring about rebuilding the Democratic Party in the West, whether on this site or among those who last year created Democrats for the West (http://www.democratsforthewest.org/). Keep up the good work!

Over at blatherWatch, they’re having a discussion on who could be some local talent competition on 1090 AM.

In the tradition of Pat Cashman, sort of, I’m going to nominate John Keister. He already has an infrequent spot on KCTS Connects and tons of history on Almost Live and the John Report with Bob. We know he can fill air air time. And he would be a thousand times funnier than Rush, John Carlson or Kirby

The only question is his politics. I would assume he’s a “typical Seattle liberal,” but that is only a guess based on his historic bashing of the Kent Valley and the east side of the mountains.

By the way, if you’re up that late, the only other time to catch John is after SNL on Sunday mornings with classic Almost Live.

Geoducks baseball is back. One of the coolest parts of Evergreen athletics is the club baseball team, which will start play this Saturday at 1p at Black Hills High School. The fields are in the back.

Evergreen usually gets crushed, especially by the University of Oregon club team, who they will open up with this weekend, but at least its worth the price of admission. It will be worth it to see them at the end of April when they host both Eastern and Western Washington. Those should be more competitive games.

Comment I left on leftinthewest on his post on Eastern Washington becoming another state:

Dude, I was in like Disneyland until yesterday. That is my excuse. 😉

This Eastern Washington bitterness comes up every few years, mostly when we do something to piss them off. This time is was Gregoire beating “Eastsider” Rossi. No one has had the heart to tell them that Rossi was from the East side of Lake Washington, not the Cascades.

Because this happens regularly, and goes nowhere, I always think of it as a immature act on behalf of Eastern Wash. Republicans to show how mean we’ve been.

The best part of this last time was the support of serious Seattle liberal Adam Kline. If you want to find a true “Seattle Liberal” that any self respecting Yakima conservative bubba would just hate, you would have to go see Sen. Kline.

He supports the split because he knows that the Puget Sound basically carries Eastern Washington on our back. So, screw ‘em. If they don’t want to be part of this deal, let them be the Alabama of the West.

“This would a wonderful benefit to Western Washington,” Kline said. “Why should the western half continue to subsidize the east? We could use that money right here for job creation, education and health care.”

Birding at Disneyland

Just got back from Disneyland a couple of days ago. It was my first trip there, and I would never have guessed that what was most interesting for me was watching birds.

The most common species were mallards and what I think were smaller house sparrows. Mallards especially used every piece of Dinseyland, the most amazing site was a pair nestled up in the “Storyland” attraction, towering over pint-sized Fairy Tale scenes like moster ducks. Most of the mallards were in the “Rivers of America” area, along with a fair share of coots and one very distinctive wood duck.

After I started taking note of the birds I was surprised that I didn’t see any pigeons. I was under the impression that any major urban area would have its share of “rock doves,” but not Disneyland.

You would have to keep your head up into the trees, but there were also tons of crows flying around. They never made it onto the ground or even near it for some reason, but every so often I would see a flight of crows.

Hello, my name is Emmett. I’m from Unexpected Quarters, Washington.

So, he’s back. The phone number is still there on his domain name registration, but his PO Box in Shelton is gone.

Sorry for the extended sign off. Last week was really stressful with all sorts of computer-related difficulties and a few personal challenges from unexpected quarters. Comcast customer service helped me solve some of them. Friendly bloggers helped me solve others. My brilliant, tech-savvy brother helped me settle the rest. Thanks to all those who sent kind words and advice while OlyScoop was down. To the others, well, I’m counting on karma to get medieval on your ass at some point down the road.

Medieval on your ass… umm, hello Mr Wallace.

Another thing I’ve learned about Olyscoop: ask him who he is publically, he takes his site down.

If you’re interested in Olyscoop, his January and February archives are still online. Hopefully he doesn’t take these down as well.

UPDATE: And, now if Olyscoop takes down his archives too, you can view them here, at the official Olyscoop Archives.

Hm. Anyway, for the sake of complete truth in the face of, uhhmmm… something, here is the entire conversation (including stuff below) I’ve had with Olyscoop today and yesterday.

By the way Olyscoop, if you think I didn’t put something in about our email conversation, you can post a comment.

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:34:58 -0800

From: “OlyScoop OlyWA”
To: emmettoconnell@yahoo.com

Subject: It’s not the entire conversation, Emmett

Why do you lie to your readers?

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:19:48 -0800

From: “OlyScoop OlyWA” Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book

To: Send an Instant Message “Emmett O’Connell”

Subject: Re: Who are you?

I’m disappointed, Emmett. You sure seem like a really intelligent guy,

but you won’t even address my questions to you. I would like to share

info. with you, but you won’t even attempt a compromise.

Maybe when you have a moment you’ll be able to tell me what you think

you accomplished with your impolitic manner and your refusal to admit

that you may have charged ahead too quickly — qualities of the

current occupant of the White House.

No. That was not intended as a compliment.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:03:36 -0800 (PST), Emmett O’Connell emmettoconnell@yahoo.com> wrote:

I guess we’re at an impasse.

Emmett

— OlyScoop OlyWA wrote:

I’ll confab when the post is down. Will you take itdown?

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:53:15 -0800 (PST), Emmett

O’Connell

wrote:

Either way, why the number from the Governor’s office?

That is all I want to know.

You don’t work for the Governor, so why the number?

Emmett

What I now know about Olyscoop:

He isn’t blogging from a state office, making it less likely that he’s working from the governor’s office. He’s online from this IP: c-24-18-102-209.client.comcast.net

He doesn’t like it that I posted what I posted below. We’ve exchange emails, and he’s left a comment asking me to delete the previous post. Now, if there was any way to guarantee that I wouldn’t delete the post, it would be to ask me to delete it. Just thought I’d point that out.

The only question I have now is: Why the number for the governor’s press office?

And, that is about it. Below is the entire email discussion Olyscoop and I have had (in reverse chronology):

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:52:31 -0800

From: “OlyScoop OlyWA”
To: “Emmett O’Connell”

Subject: Re: Who are you?

Whether or not you think it’s harmful, I believe it is harmful to me. I have rent to pay and kids to feed. Olympia, I don’t have to tell you, is a small town in a lot of ways.

You didn’t bother to address why you did not e-mail until two days after you posted. It was inconsiderate, at least. For me, it was damaging. Again I say: I would not have done such a thing to you.

I don’t want to close down OlyScoop, but if this is how I’m treated by friends, I’m not sure I have any other options.

Please take down the post and I’d be happy to chat with you via e-mail.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:41:12 -0800 (PST), Emmett O’Connell

wrote:

In all due respect, are you serious? Do you actually

expect me to remove that post?

I don’t know what I wrote that might be construed as harmful, I’m just curious about who you are.

Anyway, why do you post anonymously, and why did you leave the Governor’s press office phone number on your url registration? I’m getting the drift that you aren’t actually with the press office, but I’m still curious about who you are.

Thanks,

Emmett O’Connell

— OlyScoop OlyWA wrote:

Please take down your post about OlyScoop. I really wish you had e-mailed me first before you posted that. I wouldn’t do that to you or your friends, I hope you know. I want you to be happy and successful.

I hope you want the same for people who are a lot like you, as I am.

I’ll be happy to talk positively “olympia time” and add your blog to the roll on the OlyScoop page if you like.

Please take down that post. Then, if you want please e-mail again. I’d be happy to chat.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:18:25 -0800 (PST), Emmett O’Connell wrote:

http://olywa.blogspot.com/2005/02/is-olyscoop.html

Is OlyScoop.com coming from the Governor’s office? How does that make any sense?

For about a month now, I’ve been enjoying the musings over at Olyscoop.com, a blog that posts mostly on happenings up at the Capitol. What have I learned about Olyscoop?

Olyscoop doesn’t like Republicans, at all or very much.

Olyscoops digs the current Gov.

So much so, Olyscoop sometimes makes fun of Republicans. I for one find Olyscoop funny, I’m a Democrat, and making fun of Republicans is a hobby of mine as well.

One thing I didn’t find was any information on who Olyscoop actually is. Well, crap. Like minded people want to know each other. Anyhoo, for awhile I just assumed that Olyscoop was the worktime project of some unpaid Dem intern or session worker up at the Capitol.

Then I noticed today that Olyscoop.com is a registered domain name.

olyscoopHuh, I can look this person up then. I didn’t find a name, but I did find a post office box in Shelton, which I don’t know how to look up. I also found a phone number too.

(360) 902-4136

It’s the phone number to the Gov. Christine Gregoire’s press office. It would make sense if the blog did come from there, it talks about the press, alot.

Here, Here, Here and just about everywhere.

Now, I doubt that Olyscoop is actually a project of the Gov’s press office. If it is, they have got to be pretty stupid to actually put their work number on the domain registration. Why even register a domain anyway? It kicks you to the blogspot.com domain.

One more note, Olyscoop.com was registered a week before Gov. Gregoire was sworn in. Not sure what that means.

I know that its barely into the new year. It must have something to do with the weather or maybe I slipped in MLB 99 on the playstation over the weekend, but I’m starting to get that baseball feeling. I’m going to bring home the schedule tonight.

By the way, getting Sele is not a bad move, with a minor league contract and little room on the rotation, its not like we’re going to either spend too much money to bring him back or depend on him too much.

How much of a baseball feeling have I gotten today? I found out that the Pacific International Leauge (home of the former Grays Harbor Rain) now have local competition in the Western Collegiate Baseball League. Apparently, the owners Bellingham Bells and Aloha Knights (owned by Phil Knight‘s wife) lead the charge out of the PIL. Anyway, no PIL or WCBL teams near here, so I might try to get to more Geoducks and Saints games.

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