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With meetup.com probably going bankrupt, its time for the DNC to step up to the plate.

http://www.democrats.org/contact/

The Democratic Party needs to come up with a similar, grassroots tool like meetup. There are more people than we know that want to get involved in the party, but county and local party meetings are not the place for them. Meetups are a great forum to tap into these great people.

We need to push the party to make sure we use these meetings to build the grassroots and help grow and invigorate the party!

Markos Moulitsas Zúniga (of dailykos.com fame) replied to my post on his website and said this:

“MeetUp is going out of business this is their last-gasp desperation attempt to stave off bankruptcy. I’d focus on finding an alternative solution.”

So, now we know. The questions are:

1) what will that alternative be?

2) will the DNC help make it happen?

Some replies to my DailyKos offering on Dem Meetups:

Raising your own money is one of the most important organizing tools that a local organization can do. If you like what meetups are doing for you, raise the money and do it yourself. That’s how political power is made. Don’t ask the DNC or anyone else to do it for you.

And…

Don’t hold your breath. They won’t, especially since that $9 charge goes up to $19/mo. beginning in January 2006. Meetup is an independent org and using party funds to subsidize groups there is NOT a good solution.

I am an organizer for my local DFA meetup, and we are having this problem, too. DFA has agreed to pay the $9 for all DFA groups for next month only to allow us some breathing room and transition time. But, the consensus (though not unanimity) among Meetup hosts seems to be to get out of meetup entirely and create a new system. I see you mentioned Dean’s Get Local tools, but those don’t really cut the mustard and replace the function Meetup provides. Thus, emphasis now is on creating a new system tailored to political grassroots organizing needs.

Thus, either the Dem Party needs to follow DFA’s suit (and with Dean as Chair, that is entirely possible… much more possible than the party paying for people’s meetup fees), OR you should consider consolidating Dem Party Meetups into DFA meetups in the new system. I’m sure some wouldn’t like the latter option, BUT it is something to think about and might help consolidate the base and eliminate some duplication of grassroots effort.

lastly…

Dem and DFA Meetups should have merged ages ago.

The message Dean brought us was “take back our party”…so why are we still meeting separately?

Anyhoo, re the $9, soon $19. If it was a yearly or semi-yearly fee, that’s one thing. Meetup’s got to make some money. But charging this per month, and charging the longstanding organizers, is too much. They’re going to suffer some serious attrition. Do you think the organizers of the witches meetups or anarchists meetup – or socialist meetups, for that matter – are going to pay a monthly fee to host their own meeting?

My Reply:

I understand about how passing the hat leads to some ownership of the meeting for those that come, we were already doing that by dedicated ourselves to a more stable paid room ($24 a month), rather than a less stable free one. But, the $9 and eventually $19 just to use meetup.com is too much!

Alos, not that I don’t like DFA, but I think there needs to be a local grassroots meeting for the Democratic Party. The DNC needs to do something.

Either support us through meetup.com or offer an alternative.

I posted this at Kicking Ass, the DNC blog:

At the Democratic Party meetup in Olympia WA, we’ve been passing the hat every month to cover our rooms costs, and this month we passed the hat some more to cover the $9 meetup.com fee.

For those who don’t know, meetup.com used to be a free service, but they started this month charging group organizors $9 a month. This isn’t a big fee, but for a usefull organizing tool like meetup.com, its too bad that $9 goes to a company and not the party we’re actually trying to organize for.

I’ve been working with my county party to get some support from them for the group, but you know what would be great?

Either the DNC pick up the cost for organizing Democratic meetup groups OR they provide a tool similar to meetup.com, such as Dean’s GetLocal tools. Either way, I don’t see meetup.com charging organizors as the long term solution, it will just quicken organizor burn out and the death of some or our more marginal meetups.

The meetups, at least in Olympia, have been an important tool as a “gateway” forum for less connected Dems and liberals. By coming to this one meeting, folks can plug in as much as they want. The DNC should either support meetups financially and with staff or provide an alternative.

I’ve been posting over at Westerndemocrat.com, and been meaning to cross post this entry here. Its about David Kemmis and “This Sovereign Land,” one of my new most favorite books:

Kemmis
In the last chapter of “This Sovereign Land,” Daniel Kemmis makes the observation that Western Republicans have the inside track on the issue that will ensure political dominance for one party in the region: whether any political party can be seen as being the source of collaborative efforts that will eventually exert local and regional control over public lands in the West.

A cynical Republican will answer, “Of course it will be the GOP. Republicans, not Democrats, trust people to make their own decisions.” This is at least true to the point that national environmental groups don’t trust local collaborative efforts, but rather courts and the federal bureaucracy to do the right thing.

But, in the “Death of Environmentalism,” Michael Shellenberger and Ted Nordhaus, argue that the national policy focus of the current stock of environmentalists, rather than a broader focus on progressive issues, has backed enviro groups into a corner, making them a stale and unsuccessful special interest.

The same focus on national issues that has marginalized environmentalism today is the same focus that has kept them from trusting and recognizing the good in collaborative efforts.

Also, Kemmis fails to address to what point and for what reasons Western GOPers support cooperative efforts. I would argue that their support only goes so far as to use collaborative efforts as a battering ram against federal control of lands, not to supplement that control with local and regional control.

By removing the federal government from the scene, and not allowing any real control by local communities, governments and watershed groups to fill in the vacuum, the space would eventually be filled by commercial interests. Westerners still would not control their landscape, the control would have moved from Washington DC to New York City.

Also, what are the chances that the Western Republican Party could abandon their dependence on the Western Myth of self reliance over cooperation?

To really create a cohesive policy of the homegrown Western sovereignty that Kemmis talks about, you need a party of politicians that believe that good, purposeful government can do good things.

The really cool thing about this post is that Kemmis himself ended up responding. I didn’t end up looking like a complete idiot, btw:

My argument in the last chapter of This Sovereign Land was not that Republicans had captured the inside track on small “d” democratic politics in the West, but rather that Democrats risked ceding that ground to Republicans if we didn’t re-examine some of our basic operating assumptions.

I completely agree with Emmett O’Connell that the Republican commitment and track record in this arena is shaky and vulnerable, mostly because the GOP remains far more committed to serving its corporate supporters than to any fundamental empowering of ordinary westerners.

But, as O’Connell quite accurately points out, Democrats have also been prevented from fully embracing grass-roots western democracy by our own close identification with another set of interests. Clearly, one reason Democrats had lost so much ground in the interior West before 2002 was because the party label had become all too closely associated in all too many western minds with a particular brand of national environmentalism – namely, the zero-cut and cattle-free brand. The result was that, over the course of a decade or so, Democrats had essentially abandoned our populist base in the rural West.

But now there is good news on two fronts. First, western Democrats have begun to stake out a genuinely western (and at the same time genuinely democratic) position on public land and resource issues. Second, the national environmental movement has itself moved into a new phase of self-examination, with the publication and discussion of Shellenberger and Nordhaus’s “Death of Environmentalism” paper. While that paper doesn’t directly address western issues, it creates an opportunity for western Democrats to begin saying clearly that we not only value these extraordinary western landscapes that we inhabit, but we also value the communities that have been built on those landscapes and the ways of life that depend on them.

I won’t extend this comment by developing that argument any further here, but I did take a stab at that last spring in a High Country News article (http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=14674).

It’s exciting and encouraging to see all the discussion that’s now occurring about rebuilding the Democratic Party in the West, whether on this site or among those who last year created Democrats for the West (http://www.democratsforthewest.org/). Keep up the good work!

Over at blatherWatch, they’re having a discussion on who could be some local talent competition on 1090 AM.

In the tradition of Pat Cashman, sort of, I’m going to nominate John Keister. He already has an infrequent spot on KCTS Connects and tons of history on Almost Live and the John Report with Bob. We know he can fill air air time. And he would be a thousand times funnier than Rush, John Carlson or Kirby

The only question is his politics. I would assume he’s a “typical Seattle liberal,” but that is only a guess based on his historic bashing of the Kent Valley and the east side of the mountains.

By the way, if you’re up that late, the only other time to catch John is after SNL on Sunday mornings with classic Almost Live.

Geoducks baseball is back. One of the coolest parts of Evergreen athletics is the club baseball team, which will start play this Saturday at 1p at Black Hills High School. The fields are in the back.

Evergreen usually gets crushed, especially by the University of Oregon club team, who they will open up with this weekend, but at least its worth the price of admission. It will be worth it to see them at the end of April when they host both Eastern and Western Washington. Those should be more competitive games.

Comment I left on leftinthewest on his post on Eastern Washington becoming another state:

Dude, I was in like Disneyland until yesterday. That is my excuse. 😉

This Eastern Washington bitterness comes up every few years, mostly when we do something to piss them off. This time is was Gregoire beating “Eastsider” Rossi. No one has had the heart to tell them that Rossi was from the East side of Lake Washington, not the Cascades.

Because this happens regularly, and goes nowhere, I always think of it as a immature act on behalf of Eastern Wash. Republicans to show how mean we’ve been.

The best part of this last time was the support of serious Seattle liberal Adam Kline. If you want to find a true “Seattle Liberal” that any self respecting Yakima conservative bubba would just hate, you would have to go see Sen. Kline.

He supports the split because he knows that the Puget Sound basically carries Eastern Washington on our back. So, screw ‘em. If they don’t want to be part of this deal, let them be the Alabama of the West.

“This would a wonderful benefit to Western Washington,” Kline said. “Why should the western half continue to subsidize the east? We could use that money right here for job creation, education and health care.”

Birding at Disneyland

Just got back from Disneyland a couple of days ago. It was my first trip there, and I would never have guessed that what was most interesting for me was watching birds.

The most common species were mallards and what I think were smaller house sparrows. Mallards especially used every piece of Dinseyland, the most amazing site was a pair nestled up in the “Storyland” attraction, towering over pint-sized Fairy Tale scenes like moster ducks. Most of the mallards were in the “Rivers of America” area, along with a fair share of coots and one very distinctive wood duck.

After I started taking note of the birds I was surprised that I didn’t see any pigeons. I was under the impression that any major urban area would have its share of “rock doves,” but not Disneyland.

You would have to keep your head up into the trees, but there were also tons of crows flying around. They never made it onto the ground or even near it for some reason, but every so often I would see a flight of crows.

Hello, my name is Emmett. I’m from Unexpected Quarters, Washington.

So, he’s back. The phone number is still there on his domain name registration, but his PO Box in Shelton is gone.

Sorry for the extended sign off. Last week was really stressful with all sorts of computer-related difficulties and a few personal challenges from unexpected quarters. Comcast customer service helped me solve some of them. Friendly bloggers helped me solve others. My brilliant, tech-savvy brother helped me settle the rest. Thanks to all those who sent kind words and advice while OlyScoop was down. To the others, well, I’m counting on karma to get medieval on your ass at some point down the road.

Medieval on your ass… umm, hello Mr Wallace.

Another thing I’ve learned about Olyscoop: ask him who he is publically, he takes his site down.

If you’re interested in Olyscoop, his January and February archives are still online. Hopefully he doesn’t take these down as well.

UPDATE: And, now if Olyscoop takes down his archives too, you can view them here, at the official Olyscoop Archives.

Hm. Anyway, for the sake of complete truth in the face of, uhhmmm… something, here is the entire conversation (including stuff below) I’ve had with Olyscoop today and yesterday.

By the way Olyscoop, if you think I didn’t put something in about our email conversation, you can post a comment.

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:34:58 -0800

From: “OlyScoop OlyWA”
To: emmettoconnell@yahoo.com

Subject: It’s not the entire conversation, Emmett

Why do you lie to your readers?

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:19:48 -0800

From: “OlyScoop OlyWA” Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book

To: Send an Instant Message “Emmett O’Connell”

Subject: Re: Who are you?

I’m disappointed, Emmett. You sure seem like a really intelligent guy,

but you won’t even address my questions to you. I would like to share

info. with you, but you won’t even attempt a compromise.

Maybe when you have a moment you’ll be able to tell me what you think

you accomplished with your impolitic manner and your refusal to admit

that you may have charged ahead too quickly — qualities of the

current occupant of the White House.

No. That was not intended as a compliment.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:03:36 -0800 (PST), Emmett O’Connell emmettoconnell@yahoo.com> wrote:

I guess we’re at an impasse.

Emmett

— OlyScoop OlyWA wrote:

I’ll confab when the post is down. Will you take itdown?

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:53:15 -0800 (PST), Emmett

O’Connell

wrote:

Either way, why the number from the Governor’s office?

That is all I want to know.

You don’t work for the Governor, so why the number?

Emmett

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