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re: Holy Crap! Don’t forget to file for PCO (June 5 deadline)

A little rant related to the informational post below.

How long am I supposed to believe the grass-roots b.s. that we Democrats spew every so often to defend the archaic structure of our party?

Last year when I was arguing to allow for membership in our local party organization, more than one PCO argued that the position of Prescinct Committee Officer was sacrosanct because it was an “elected” position.

Well, bull-shit. PCOs elections may be in fact democratic, but in practice their little advertised and hardly anyone ever contests them.

There is absolutely no mention of the pending PCO deadline on the Washington Dems website. There’s a button to become a “neighborhood leader,” but nothing to do with actually becoming a legal boardmember in the state Democrats.

Why is this? I would assume because while PCOs and people elected by the PCOs would love to believe that the state party and our local organizations are the expressed will of the Democratic voter.

But because so few people actually participate in these elections, and so people encourage others to run for PCO, that there is very little turnover in PCOs.

It also probably doesn’t help that PCO elections are held right in the middle of the partisan election season, when the really active people feel like they have better things to do.

And, yes, I’m plunking down by $1 next week at the county auditor’s office to run again. I’m running because PCOs have legal powers not given to common party members. And, if I want to change this thing, I think I can best do it from the inside.

Plus, I hope someone runs against me. I’m in Oly 48, so if you live in that precinct, file and we can doorbell together and argue who would make the best PCO.

What we should have done (sham nominating conventions)

Instead of putting on sham nominating conventions across Washington State, we Dems should have done something different. Well, we shouldn’t have sued to overturn 872 in the first place.

But, we could have become more relevant on our own term type organizations, rather than forcing our way into relevancy. Rather than writing my point all over again, I’ll just quote myself:

The most blistering attack on the Top Two is that it hurts parties, and therefore hurts democracy. I’d agree that parties are good for Democracy, but the kinds of parties that are built for closed primaries are not the kinds of parties people are seeking to join. In essence, we need parties that are built for people that tried to get their friends to vote a certain way and put bumper stickers on their cars, but didn’t attend a political meeting.

As politics is becoming less traditional, moving out into the world of personal relationships, so do the parties (or at least the Democratic Party does, I don’t really care what the Republicans do).

I like the ideas of the Blue Tiger Democrats in this regard. They say the local parties should be as interested in civic engagement on the local level as they are with winning elections. The more people see the Democratic Party itself as a force for good, the way you see the Shriners or the Lions, and less as an organization that sues to overturn a popular initiative and win elections for the sake of winning elections, the better.

Granted, the Top Two primary is gone and was obviously unconstitutional. But, I would have loved to see the party that thrived under those conditions. How would you have built a party, with broad participation, if you had an open primary system?

An Obama alternate delegate from Thurston County wrote this blistering attack on us (political party types) after going through the caucus process:

And, more to the point, I was constantly on the verge of asking why a party that self-styles itself “Democratic” completely fails to choose its nominee in a democratic manner. The caucus system itself is already designed to disenfranchise more people than necessary. [While I acknowledge the limitations of a traditional primary vote, it at least has the advantage of not turning away those with disabilities (the caucus I attended was decidedly wheelchair-unfriendly), those with jobs that require their presence on Saturday mornings, and those who are not particularly interested in sitting around for several hours to cast a vote.]

But that’s the wrong impulse. The right response, after learning more about how fucked up the political system in this country, is to want to limit as much as possible the amount of sway political parties have. I want the Thurston Democrats and Republicans to have as much political power as the Thurston County Economic Development Council or the League of Women Voters. In other words, take the political parties out of politics. Let the people decide with as few or as many filters as they want.

Limit as much as possible the amount of sway political parties have. Local parties with as much power as the EDC or League of Women Voters.

This isn’t death, we can live and thrive in a world like that.

That’s what is happening anyway (see this link again) and the lawsuits against the Top Two are the reaction of an entrenched political bureaucracy against changing times.

People already are engaging in politics in ways that are contrary to how political parties operate. If we want to be relevant, we should stop trying to force people into closed primaries and meet them where they’re at.

Argument for Top Two died today

If we had the Top Two back in 1996, Ellen Craswell would not have made the general election and only a few people would be writing about her today.

1996 September primary results:

Gary Locke D 287762 23.65%
Norman Rice D 212888 17.50%
Ellen Craswell R 185680 15.26%
Dale Foreman R 162615 13.37%
Jay Inslee D 118571 9.75%
Norm Maleng R 109088 8.97%
Jim Waldo R 63854 5.25%
Pam Roach R 29533 2.43%
Nona Brazier R 21237 1.75%
Brian Zetlen D 6152 0.51%
Warren E. Hanson R 4886 0.40%
Bob Tharp R 4825 0.40%
Jeff Powers SWP 3742 0.31%
Mohammad H. Said D 3007 0.25%
Max Englerius D 2837 0.23%

Is the Washington primary law unconstitutional?

Michigan’s law was struck down because voter lists would only be distributed to the parties, not to anyone who wants them.

Read Washington’s law:

For a political party that requires a specific voter declaration under this section, the secretary of state shall prescribe rules for providing, to the state and county committees of that political party, a copy of the declarations or a list of the voters who participated in the presidential nominating process of that party.

Michigan’s law:

(3) The secretary of state shall develop a procedure for city and township clerks to use when keeping a separate record at a presidential primary that contains the printed name, address, and qualified voter file number of each elector and the participating political party ballot selected by that elector at the presidential primary.

(4) Except as otherwise provided in this section, the information acquired or in the possession of a public body indicating which participating political party ballot an elector selected at a presidential primary is confidential, exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246, and shall not be disclosed to any person for any reason.

(5) To ensure compliance with the state and national political party rules of each participating political party and this section, the records described in subsection (3) shall be provided to the chairperson of each participating political party as set forth in subsection (6).

(6) Within 71 days after the presidential primary, the secretary of state shall provide to the chairperson of each participating political party a file of the records for each participating political party described under subsection (3). The secretary of state shall set a schedule for county, city, and township clerks to submit data or documents required under subsection (3). The secretary of state and county, city, and township clerks shall destroy the information indicating which participating political party ballot each elector selected at the presidential primary as recorded in subsection (3) immediately after the expiration of the 22-month federal election records retention period.

Anyone? Citizen Steve, what say you?

Update: Ballot Access blog has their say. And, as usual, its a good one.

Top Two primary digest (what has been said)

First off, some bad predicting from Andrew up at the NPI blog:

They haven’t won anything yet. If they lose – and they’re likely to – the door will be slammed for good on that lousy system that no other state, save for maybe Louisiana, uses. The leaders of both the state Republican and Democratic parties have expressed confidence that the Supreme Court of the United States will uphold the lower court rulings invalidating the “Top Two” primary.

And…

That hour of oral argument will be heard tomorrow morning, and in a few months, the Court will announce its decision in Wash. State Republican Party, et al. v. State of Washington, et al. If history is any indication, Reed and the Grange are bound to be disappointed when the Court’s opinion is issued – and the rights of those who belong to a political party will be upheld.

The Other Side points out the funny election we would have had in 1996:

In 1996, the top candidates were Gary Locke, Norm Rice and Ellen Craswell. Under this new system, Gary Locke and Norm Rice would’ve made it to the general leaving no GOP candidate.

So, who were the real choices in 1996? A farfarfar right-wing Republican who eventually abandoned her party or a two King County political chieftains, one moderately progressive and other a center-left business Democrat? I’d say the Top Two would have had it right in 1996.

And, Goldy is swearing a lot, but here is one of his clearer points:

The whole purpose of a primary election is to enable the parties to choose their candidates through more democratic means, rather than via smoke filled rooms. Now that you’ve done away with that, and entirely removed the parties from the nominating process, we might as well skip the primary and go straight to a general election… that way the ultimate winner can be chosen on a ballot that folks actually turnout for.

He’s right in the sense of the historical meaning of primaries, though the original intent of the traditional Washington primary was to remove parties and their smoke filled rooms from the primary election. Though he is wrong about the Top Two taking the power of nomination away from the parties.

They can still nominate, it just means that their nominee might not make the general. I’ll write more about this later, but parties just have to make their nominations mean something.

And, some stuff I wrote back in the day:

The best argument against a closed primary
Open primary grandstanding
Participatory democracy and caucuses
So, who’s to say that the parties can’t live with the Top Two

Thomas à Kempis on partisanship

My Lentin mission is reading and listening to Imitation of Christ.

One very good passage that got me thinking last night about more than Jesus:

If God were always the sole object of our desire, we should the less easily be troubled by the erring judgment of our fancy.

Better translation for my purpose here:

If God were the sole object of our desire, we should not be disturbed so easily by opposition to our opinions.

Granted, this is a very small quote from a very thick book where every sentence seemingly has great meaning. So, I’m not trying to say that Kempis was talking about politics, just that that passage made me think about politics.

The debate going on between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, and their supporters, on the style of politics that works best, I think relates to this. And, the overall debate over partisanship, whether working together is actually a good thing.

Opposition to your belief shouldn’t result in knee capping your opponent. Some things are bigger than winning.

We may not have to pay for postage on mail-in ballots

But, even more drop off boxes might be even more ideal. Maybe we can call it a “drop off” election.

Small brew-haha in Thurston County last fall when an old fellow decided not to put postage on his ballot. The ballot was delivered anyway, and the county started sending him stamps, avoiding pissing the guy off, but raising the question of why ballots don’t come with pre-paid postage in the first place.

Previous entries on the topic:
Thurston County can afford to pay for our ballots to be mailed
Why do we need to pay for stamps to vote anyway?

Well, if a bill passes this legislative session, the state will require counties to pay postage on ballots. SB 6199 (HB 1483 in the House) will have a public hearing in the Government Operations & Elections committee on Monday morning.

The house version was heard last year. Here’s the audio file.

Sam Reed, former Thurston County auditor and now secretary of state, pointed out that Thurston did at one point pay for ballot postage during special elections in the late 80s. He said that paying for postage didn’t boost participation, and that the county would pay for postage anyway if someone didn’t affix a stamp.

I think that Reed’s experiment was too inconsistent to get a real sense of whether it would increase participation.

Kim Wyman said something interesting that by expanding permanent drop off boxes open during the election cycles, they were able to somewhat solve the postage as poll tax complaint. Twenty-five percent of voters in Thurston County used a drop box during the last election, she said. Here are the drop off box locations in Thurston County.

Here is the bill analysis (pdf file).

The fiscal note (pdf file) on the bill pegged the cost at $2.5 million every two years for the state (as they would reimburse the county for the cost). The cost per ballot could go about the going rate for mail because of the size of some ballots in some counties.

Hey kids (17 year olds), don’t forget to caucus in Washington State on February 9

Just a reminder to all the folks out there googling for the caucuses in Washington State on February 9th, if you are 17 years old now but will be 18 by November 4, you can participate in the Democratic precinct caucuses:

Who can participate in their caucus? All registered voters and those who will be 18 at the time of the presidential election can vote at their caucus. You can register to vote at the caucus location and vote in the caucus. Others who are not registered can participate but can not vote.

Speaking of 17 year olds and the democratic process, there is an interesting bill in the legislature that will allow anyone to vote in a primary election if they’re going to be 18 by the time they next general rolls around.

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